Curse

Reverend Dr · Nov 13, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by deluxe

learn2sarcasm.

Its more for the people that didn't catch the joke either time around, that is has to be spelled out.

AKB48 · Nov 14, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by tehlemming

Your math makes no sense.

Warrior attack skills are (supposedly) balanced around energy costs vs 2 regen. WE throws that out the window. (dervishes were never balanced.)

I think you just don't have the brain capacity to understand what I wrote.

Good excuse though

Ciric · Nov 14, 2008, 10:14 AM // 10:14

NERF POWER ATTACK!

that is all

Zabe · Nov 14, 2008, 11:09 AM // 11:09

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Originally Posted by Ciric

NERF POWER ATTACK!

that is all

Or just kill the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing WE. There is no reason that a melee pewpew should exist, as there was no need for ranged pewpew damage.

The problem with this bar, and the problem with sins if they are viable, is that you get rewarded for smashing your head to the keyboard, and rolling it all over it. You don't get rewarded from that if you use a template, lets say, shock axe, meta monk bars, domination mesmer.

And kill FC MeE thats a good competition for the gayest template ever.

niek2004 · Nov 14, 2008, 01:52 PM // 13:52

WE is not overpowered. It might be good in spike builds, but it lack utility. No interupts. No unconditional KD's. Gl breaking trough a water ele, interupting WoW or Glyph of Immolation. Its only good in spike builds, and with ED nerfed WE already got a hit.

Shendaar · Nov 14, 2008, 02:28 PM // 14:28

If all you are going to do is 321 people with the rest of your team, I think there are better builds for that than the WE bar. WE excels at pressuring imo as you can unload a lot more often than other warrior bars and probably the rest of your team too.

Bobby2 · Nov 14, 2008, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Warriors opening fights with multiple high-damage energy attacks?

My Assassin will have his +10AL(+30vsPhysical) now, kthx?

IMMORTAlMITCH · Nov 14, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by AKB48

I think you just don't have the brain capacity to understand what I wrote.

Good excuse though

Your math is off because you will gain energy for every ATTACK and you will attack more than just your ATTACK SKILLS, they still have a recharge even though it's pretty short, you pretty much cant run out of energy on a WE bar, no matter what your bar is.

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Originally Posted by niek2004

WE is not overpowered. It might be good in spike builds, but it lack utility. No interupts. No unconditional KD's. Gl breaking trough a water ele, interupting WoW or Glyph of Immolation. Its only good in spike builds, and with ED nerfed WE already got a hit.

Since when is it the job of a warrior to interrupt weapon of warding or glyph of immolation?

Maybe you (as in most people in this thread) shouldn't comment on wether or not stuff is broken when you've clearly got no clue about PvP...

niek2004 · Nov 14, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

Since when is it the job of a warrior to interrupt weapon of warding or glyph of immolation?

Maybe you (as in most people in this thread) shouldn't comment on wether or not stuff is broken when you've clearly got no clue about PvP...

What I meant was, it might be strong 8v8, but it will suck on splits.

Zabe · Nov 14, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by niek2004

What I meant was, it might be strong 8v8, but it will suck on splits.

Splitting in GW died in 2005, peace.

Burton2000 · Nov 14, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by niek2004

What I meant was, it might be strong 8v8, but it will suck on splits.

I'd take a WE warrior with me on a split anyday. Energy based speed boost on fast recharge, fast recharge high damage skills and only 5a for your deepwound yes please.

X Cytherea X · Nov 14, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23

pew pew warriors are cool

AKB48 · Nov 15, 2008, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

Your math is off because you will gain energy for every ATTACK and you will attack more than just your ATTACK SKILLS, they still have a recharge even though it's pretty short, you pretty much cant run out of energy on a WE bar, no matter what your bar is.

Dam wrong you can run out of energy with WE on your bar, even if you use 2 other adr. skills. Because that's what my war. runs on his bar. WE isn't overpowered, its power is its own demise. Before, E-denial mesmers have a harder time killing warriors because they only use energy so much. Now? because of warrior's over-replyance on WE, the mesmers have much easier a time to kill them. WE is just offense, it lacks defense, messing the warrior up? Kinda, but definitely NOT the way people are saying now.

Dmitri3 · Nov 15, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by AKB48

Dam wrong you can run out of energy with WE on your bar, even if you use 2 other adr. skills. Because that's what my war. runs on his bar. WE isn't overpowered, its power is its own demise. Before, E-denial mesmers have a harder time killing warriors because they only use energy so much. Now? because of warrior's over-replyance on WE, the mesmers have much easier a time to kill them. WE is just offense, it lacks defense, messing the warrior up? Kinda, but definitely NOT the way people are saying now.

Right, and you only need one skill for it: Spirit Shackles.
3 cast time, same as diversion - just use FC. 5 recharge? awesome!
inspiration line? it's a given.

And pretty handy against any other physical class.

Combine with Ancestor's Visage or Soothing Images if you feel completely sadistic... or just cover the hex.

AKB48 · Nov 15, 2008, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Dmitri3

Right, and you only need one skill for it: Spirit Shackles.
3 cast time, same as diversion - just use FC. 5 recharge? awesome!
inspiration line? it's a given.

And pretty handy against any other physical class.

Combine with Ancestor's Visage or Soothing Images if you feel completely sadistic... or just cover the hex.

Actually Spirit Shackles won't be effective, for your information Mr.Sarcasm. With skills like energy burn and ether feast, the mesmer actually GAINS something from the warrior's energy bar, either damage or health. With SS all you're doing is keeping the warrior's energy at 0, that's all you can do, as an E-denial mesmer, no health gain no damage done. Warriors who use WE have a very high strength rank and depending on their choice, they may have a high weapon rank as well. So what will happen? You the mesmer keeps the warrior's energy at 0 and wanding him, the warrior hacks you with his weapon, but because he have such a high rank in strength and (Insert Weapon Category Here) rank, he will do way more damage on you than you on him. Sure let's keep his energy at 0 with SS, but unless you're an idiot, I think damaging/healing from the warrior's ever-regenerating energy bar is a much better way to go.

"And pretty handy against any other physical class." Are you sure you're sane/sober/awake/alive when you wrote this?

Magikarp · Nov 15, 2008, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Originally Posted by niek2004

WE is not overpowered. It might be good in spike builds, but it lack utility. No interupts. No unconditional KD's. Gl breaking trough a water ele, interupting WoW or Glyph of Immolation. Its only good in spike builds, and with ED nerfed WE already got a hit.

I'm not wasting my time reading through all of this, but so far, this is one of the only post I agree with in this thread. WE is by far not overpowered. Good, (and I would dispute that..) but nowhere near "imba". Spamming Power Attack scares me a lot less as a monk than a good Shockaxe, BB, Dev Ham, or ConjureCrip..

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Originally Posted by AKB48

Actually Spirit Shackles won't be effective, for your information Mr.Sarcasm. With skills like energy burn and ether feast, the mesmer actually GAINS something from the warrior's energy bar, either damage or health. With SS all you're doing is keeping the warrior's energy at 0, that's all you can do, as an E-denial mesmer, no health gain no damage done. Warriors who use WE have a very high strength rank and depending on their choice, they may have a high weapon rank as well. So what will happen? You the mesmer keeps the warrior's energy at 0 and wanding him, the warrior hacks you with his weapon, but because he have such a high rank in strength and (Insert Weapon Category Here) rank, he will do way more damage on you than you on him. Sure let's keep his energy at 0 with SS, but unless you're an idiot, I think damaging/healing from the warrior's ever-regenerating energy bar is a much better way to go.

"And pretty handy against any other physical class." Are you sure you're sane/sober/awake/alive when you wrote this?

I just read this and laughed. WE means you auto-attack to pick up lost E points.. you need no energy management, because WE IS the management.. wtf will Eburn or Ether Feast do but drink out of the ever-replenishing shallow bowl of warrior energy, that would have been less beneficial to you, seeing as there are more important factors in competitive play..

Edwards · Nov 15, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

WE is balanced because they take more damage from Esurge/burn than normal warriors.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

Magikarp · Nov 15, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by Edwards

WE is balanced because they take more damage from Esurge/burn than normal warriors.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

Energy Burn

10 Energy
2 Second Casting Time
20 Second Recharge

Full: Target foe loses 1...8 Energy and takes 9 damage for each point of Energy lost, unless the target is using the skill "Warrior's Endurance".. then the damage is quadrupled.

/lernhow2reedplz

AKB48 · Nov 15, 2008, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

I just read this and laughed. WE means you auto-attack to pick up lost E points.. you need no energy management, because WE IS the management.. wtf will Eburn or Ether Feast do but drink out of the ever-replenishing shallow bowl of warrior energy, that would have been less beneficial to you, seeing as there are more important factors in competitive play..

Opps....forgot about that loz, my bad. But my point was just that E denial mesmer CAN do more damage with WE wars that adr. wars.

But I am glad that I made you laugh though, that is true

Dmitri3 · Nov 15, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17

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Originally Posted by AKB48

Actually Spirit Shackles won't be effective, for your information Mr.Sarcasm. With skills like energy burn and ether feast, the mesmer actually GAINS something from the warrior's energy bar, either damage or health. With SS all you're doing is keeping the warrior's energy at 0, that's all you can do, as an E-denial mesmer, no health gain no damage done. Warriors who use WE have a very high strength rank and depending on their choice, they may have a high weapon rank as well. So what will happen? You the mesmer keeps the warrior's energy at 0 and wanding him, the warrior hacks you with his weapon, but because he have such a high rank in strength and (Insert Weapon Category Here) rank, he will do way more damage on you than you on him. Sure let's keep his energy at 0 with SS, but unless you're an idiot, I think damaging/healing from the warrior's ever-regenerating energy bar is a much better way to go.

"And pretty handy against any other physical class." Are you sure you're sane/sober/awake/alive when you wrote this?

Are you serious? I hope you're not, cause 1vs1 has nothing to do with GW.

With one somewhat cheap, spammable hex, you neutralize most of the WE warrior's skills... auto attack damage is negligible. This is not 1vs1, you hex/disable the war, cover the hex and move on to another target.

Although my message was a bit sounding like sarcasm, there was none in it... for one reason, because it makes sense.

Spirit Shackes (please don't refer to it as SS or curses necros will eat you alive) IS very effective against any physical attacker, except maybe paragon or warrior, if they are mostly adrenaline. 0 energy means you're unable to activate energy attacks, meaning you deal very little damage. Even Mending can outheal that!

Oh and also. Very high strenght attribute? Nice joke, 10-13% armor penetration (or whatever their attribute is) on activation of attacks when they can't activate any... Heh

Thanks for the laugh anyway. Hehe, wanding :P.